Politics and Religion. We’re not supposed to talk about that, right? Wrong! We only say that nowadays because the loudest, most extreme voices have taken over the whole conversation. Well, we‘re taking some of that space back! If you’re dying for some dialogue instead of all the yelling; if you know it’s okay to have differences without having to hate each other; if you believe politics and religion are too important to let ”the screamers” drown out the rest of us and would love some engaging, provocative and fun conversations about this stuff, then ”Talkin‘ Politics & Religion Without Killin‘ Each Other” is for you!
Episodes
Wednesday Jul 17, 2024
Wednesday Jul 17, 2024
There's so much happening in the news right now. We thought it'd be a good idea to get together with our pal Will Wright from the Faithful Politics podcast to think through some of the most relevant news stories from the last few days.
The topics we discuss include:
- The attempted assassination of former President Trump
- The pick of Senator J.D. Vance from Ohio to be Trump's running mate
- To Biden or not to Biden (and "STFU" is not the answer)
- Judge Aileen Cannon’s dismissal of the classified documents case against Donald Trump
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Stuart Stevens' piece in The Atlantic - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/antidemocratic-uprising-against-joe-biden/678865/
David French's column on the Aileen Cannon ruling - https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/07/09/opinion/thepoint#documents-case-dismissed
Sunday Jul 14, 2024
Sunday Jul 14, 2024
The events of July 13, 2024 underscore the central question we've been asking on this program: How can we do better at talking about politics and religion without killing each other or is it even possible? In this special edition, we provide comments by several prior guests of TP&R as well as a number of other leaders from both parties. We included statements from David French, Monica Guzman on behalf of Braver Angels, Fred Guttenberg, former Congressman Joe Walsh, Elizabeth Neumann, Pete Wehner, Mike Madrid, and former Congressman Adam Kinzinger, all of whom have appeared on this podcast. We also shared statements from former President George W. Bush, former Congresswoman Liz Cheney, President Joe Biden, House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries and Senate Leader Chuck Schumer. There are other posts that are counterproductive at best, and arguably dangerous, from the likes of Marco Rubio, J.D. Vance, Tim Scott and MTG. These are referred to but are not worth giving any credence as we choose to focus on, as David French puts it, "recover(ing) our sense of decency and basic respect for the humanity of our opponents..." at such a time as this.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-pennsylvania/679004/
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Wednesday Jul 10, 2024
Wednesday Jul 10, 2024
What's it like to get pounded by folks who passionately object to one's theological orthodoxy and political conservatism? And then to get mercilessly attacked for speaking out against the hypocrisy being exhibited by other supposed conservatives?
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In this much anticipated conversation with New York Times columnist David French, we discuss the health of democracy, judicial and political issues, potential outcomes of a second Trump presidency, and the complexities of interacting with opposing viewpoints. David shares personal anecdotes, including his wife Nancy French's battle with cancer, insights into dealing with dishonesty within political movements and religious communities, and how these latest chapters of American Christendom have tested his own faith.
We delve into
- The impact of polarized environments on political and social discourse
- Insights into the current state of American Christendom versus Christianity
- The judicial philosophy and significant rulings of the current U.S. Supreme Court
- Strategies for engaging in meaningful conversations across political and ideological divides
- Personal reflections on navigating public and private challenges with faith and integrity.
David Lee Roth... no wait... David French! David French is an Opinion columnist with the New York Times who writes about faith, friendship, marriage and parenting as well as foreign affairs and the latest developments in American constitutional law. He also writes about religion in America, with a particular focus on the health of the evangelical church. David graduated from Harvard Law and was a commercial litigator for a number of years, and then ultimately switched to constitutional law. Remarkably, well into his legal career, David decided to serve our country as an Army lawyer with the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment in Diyala Province in Iraq during the height of the Surge in 2007. After spending much of his career defending free speech, religious freedom and due process in courtrooms across the country, David joined National Review as a senior writer, but left in 2019 to help start The Dispatch, a conservative media company, where he continues to contribute to their "flagship" podcast Advisory Opinions. He also became a contributing writer for The Atlantic. And just last year, he joined The Times.
03:53 David French on Personal and Family Challenges
06:49 Faith and Role Models
10:54 Navigating Faith and Politics
20:19 Concerns About American Christendom
33:42 Potential Threats of a Second Trump Term
45:37 Supreme Court and Judicial Philosophy
49:44 Classical Liberals vs. MAGA Conservatives
50:18 Supreme Court Decisions Frustrating MAGA
52:13 Thomas and Alito: MAGA's Favorite Justices?
57:08 The Rahimi Case and Judicial Philosophy
01:05:43 Breaking Out of Political Bubbles
01:07:59 Engaging with Opposing Views
01:18:20 PCA Cancellation and Personal Reflections
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Advisory Opinions, the flagship podcast of The Dispatch: https://thedispatch.com/podcast/advisoryopinions/
https://www.nytimes.com/by/david-french
Sunday Jul 07, 2024
Sunday Jul 07, 2024
This is a conversation with Mónica Guzmán from almost 2 years ago right after her book, I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THAT WAY, came out. Moni is on the front lines of addressing the problem of polarization and helping people bridge the political divide in their everyday lives. Everything we discussed is even more pressing today than when we first talked.
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What can happen when people from different "tribes" actually get together in person? We often jump to conclusions based merely on how someone votes. But do we take the time to understand how they arrived at that decision? How can we bring our friends and neighbors from a posture of contentiousness to one of curiosity? To put down the weapons of the culture war and pick up a cup of coffee with someone from the "other side"? Does sharing facts change people's minds? Does the tactic of dropping the perfectly worded factoid actually convince anyone of anything? Is there a line someone might cross where they're no longer a person we can even have a conversation with? We can have conversations about what is true, what is meaningful and what is useful. Is that all the same conversation?
Monica Guzman is Senior Fellow for Public Practice at Braver Angels, the nation’s largest cross-partisan grassroots organization working to depolarize America; founder and CEO of Reclaim Curiosity, an organization working to build a more curious world; and cofounder of the award-winning Seattle newsletter The Evergrey. She was a 2019 fellow at the Henry M. Jackson Foundation and a 2016 fellow at the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard University. She served twice as a juror for the Pulitzer Prize. A Mexican immigrant, Latina, and dual US/Mexico citizen, and is the author of I Never Thought of It That Way: How To Have Fearlessly Curious Conversations in Dangerously Divided Times.
https://www.moniguzman.com/book
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Thursday Jul 04, 2024
Thursday Jul 04, 2024
ICYMI... Let's talk about the words, actions and character of Donald J. Trump in light of what the Bible says about virtue and vice. But instead of starting with our political preferences and prejudices and THEN backing shards of Scripture into what we want, what if we started with what the Bible actually says FIRST? Then we can more earnestly reckon with the implications of what we're dealing with today.
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Here are a few of the Scriptural references that came up:
- Exodus 20: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."
- 2 Kings 3: "(Jehoram) did evil in the sight of the Lord."
- Proverbs 6: "There are six things that the Lord hates, Seven that are an abomination to Him..."
- Proverbs 10: "Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool..."
- John 2: "(Jesus) said, 'Take these things away from here; stop making My Father’s house a place of business!'”
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Sunday Jun 30, 2024
Sunday Jun 30, 2024
ICYMI... What does it mean to be a conservative? What about being a Christian? What does that mean in terms of how one would understand and uphold virtue vs vice? And if I am truly a conservative and a Christian, can I then support Donald Trump?
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In this edition, we explore the nuances of conservative values and Christian beliefs amidst our politically charged environment. To get clarity on what it means to be a conservative and a Christian, it requires NOT surrendering to the extremists who monopolize conversations around politics and religion. Our discussion dives into the foundational principles of conservatism, such as:
- Individual Freedom,
- Limited Government,
- Rule of Law,
- Peace through Strength,
- Fiscal Responsibility,
- Free Markets,
- and *Human Dignity,
...contrasting these with the divisive and aggressive tactics often employed in Trump-era politics. Contrary to what passes for “conservative” in today’s political and media landscape, we’ll look at the way true conservatism respects the U.S. Constitution and promotes a healthy, engaged citizenry, devoid of blanket vilification via broad generalizations and dehumanization. We’ll also give a sneak peak into Part II of this discussion on Christian values, specifically targeting the misalignment of Trump's actions with biblical teachings. So, yeah, this one might tweak some beaks!
02:49 The Impact of Extremism on Public Discourse;
13:40 Exploring the True Meaning of Conservatism;
14:16 Principles of Conservatism vs. Trumpism;
27:29 The Importance of Human Dignity in Conservatism;
34:35 Teaser for the Next Episode: Christianity vs Trumpism
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Wednesday Jun 26, 2024
Wednesday Jun 26, 2024
Had to share this one again partly because Fred's beloved Florida Panthers are Stanley Cup Champs! (The same Florida Panthers who beat Corey's favorite team, the New York Rangers, in the Eastern Conference Final.) But this wasn't just a conversation that brought rivals across hockey loyalties together; it brought together "Two Dads Defending Democracy," Fred Guttenberg and Joe Walsh, who are helping to bridge the gap during divisive times...
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Fred Guttenberg became a nationally known activist on gun safety after his daughter Jaime was tragically murdered in the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida. Former Congressman Joe Walsh has been a self-described "rabid gun rights advocate." So how did these two guys go from being on completely different sides of such a heated issue to becoming dear friends who are now collaborating on a national tour called TWO DADS DEFENDING DEMOCRACY?
In this special coming together, we explore Fred and Joe's evolution from adversaries to collaborators through their unique friendship. Initially at odds due to their differing views on gun control, they discovered a shared commitment to democracy and engaging in respectful dialogue across political and ideological divides. They speak about their collaborative initiative, "Two Dads Defending Democracy," aimed at encouraging Americans to participate in the democratic process, highlight the importance of conversations across differences, and reflect on personal stories that underscore their transformation. We talk about a number of ways they're both trying to make a positive difference including Fred's non-profit Orange Ribbons for Jaime, Joe's continued contributions on White Flag with Joe Walsh, and their appearances together demonstrating that instead of remaining enemies over any given issue, even those we're most passionate about, mutual respect wins every time.
00:42 Getting to Know Joe Walsh: From Congress to Gun Rights Advocate;
02:24 Fred Guttenberg's Journey: From Tragedy to Advocacy;
03:44 Bridging Divides: A Story of Friendship and Understanding;
07:39 Real Talk about Gun Safety;
13:20 The Power of Dialogue: Moving Beyond Polarization;
14:57 A Deep Dive into the Second Amendment and Gun Safety;
20:33 Finding Common Ground: The Path to Reducing Gun Violence;
30:58 Exploring Red Flag Laws: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly;
33:41 The Impact of 'White Flag' on Activism and Public Policy;
35:09 America's Shift in Gun Culture and the NRA's Influence;
42:31 More Bridging Divides: Two Dads Defending Democracy;
50:44 Engaging Across Differences: Strategies for Democracy;
52:41 Closing Thoughts: Hope, Engagement, and the American Experiment
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White Flag with Joe Walsh: pod.link/1590913798
Sunday Jun 23, 2024
Sunday Jun 23, 2024
"Disinformation. Spam and Scams. Trolls." For those of us paying attention, one thing is clear: We got problems! Fortunately, Renée DiResta is helping with exactly that by studying online manipulation, and what we can do about it. And yeah, we get quite a primer on the concept of "bespoke realities."
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Renée DiResta is the Technical Research Manager at Stanford Internet Observatory. In this conversation we delve into the challenges of misinformation, online manipulation, and the impact of algorithmic curation on public discourse. Renée discusses her career journey, her work on election integrity, and the concept of "bespoke realities." The episode explores how media ecosystems shape our perception and the importance of fostering meaningful dialogue across differing viewpoints.
02:56 Renée DiResta's Background and Career Journey
06:35 The Birth of Vaccinate California
07:22 Facing Harassment and Public Backlash
16:01 Understanding Bespoke Realities
17:44 The Influencer-Algorithm-Crowd Trinity
27:17 The Role of Free Expression in Social Media
29:50 The Complexity of Free Expression and Moderation
31:10 Platform Policies and Government Regulation
32:23 Engaging with Conspiracy Theorists
33:48 Understanding Algorithmic Curation
34:38 Reflecting on January 6th and Political Polarization
39:51 Election Integrity Partnership: An Inside Look
46:22 Recognizing and Combating Propaganda
50:37 Concerns About a Second Trump Term
53:20 Fostering Better Conversations Across Differences
57:08 Engaging on Social Media: Strategies and Reflections
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Thursday Jun 20, 2024
Thursday Jun 20, 2024
Who's doing the canceling now? The leader doth protest too much... (the leaders of Presbyterian Church in America, that is.)
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In this edition, we take a look at a very public controversy surrounding the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) and David French. We'll highlight a significant dispute within the PCA, where a planned panel on dealing with polarization was cancelled due to the inclusion of French. We explore articles and commentary (quoting extensively from a number of pieces), especially focusing on PCA Elder Ben Dunson's misleading attacks against French's views. In this inquiry, the mischaracterizations and false witness borne by Dunson get proper scrutiny so we can contextualize David (and Nancy) French's positions. The episode also explores broader implications of such church conflicts, stressing the importance of honesty, intellectual rigor, and faithfulness to Scripture.
01:38 Today's Topic: The David French PCA Controversy
02:17 Background on David French and the PCA
03:42 Criticism and Mischaracterization of David French
12:31 David French's Actual Stance on Drag Queen Story Hour
17:47 David French's Actual Views on Same-Sex Marriage
20:05 David French's Actual Position on Legislation Involving Transgender Youth
27:23 Addressing Personal Attacks on David and Nancy French
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https://julieroys.com/pca-cancels-anti-polarization-panel-david-french-being-too-polarizing/
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/09/opinion/presbyterian-church-evangelical-canceled.html
https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/frenchpress/when-culture-wars-go-way-too-far/
https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/04/16/nancy-french-ghosted-book-cancer-david-french/
https://americanreformer.org/2024/05/david-french-and-the-pcas-general-assembly/
Sunday Jun 16, 2024
Sunday Jun 16, 2024
What a great conversation to revisit on this Father's Day! Alex is a devoted dad and has such reverence and respect for his own father, all of which we covered in this talk. And yes, we also cover the grave risks of a potential 2nd Trump Administration, Lt. Col. Vindman's experience on the WH's National Security Council and so much more.
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Donald Trump's supposedly "perfect call" was the furthest thing from perfect. In this episode, Alexander Vindman tells us what was so dangerously wrong about it as well as WHY IT MATTERS.
Alexander Vindman, retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and the director for European Affairs on the White House’s National Security Council, shares valuable perspectives on the Trump administration, Donald Trump’s unhinged lawlessness and the dangers the country faces if Trump is given another term. Dr. Vindman, having earned a Doctorate in International Affairs from Johns Hopkins, discusses international geopolitics, focusing particularly on Russian aggression and corruption. Lt. Col. Vindman offers a firsthand account of his experience in the Trump White House, the damage that’s already been done and the resilience of the U.S institutions that hold firm amidst these pervasive threats.
Throughout the conversation, Alex emphasizes the central role of local communities and the effectiveness of conversation in addressing divisive socio-political issues. His candid reflections on his own experiences - as an immigrant serving the country, in the face of profound institutional challenges and even his personal setbacks (eg. Operation Cabbage Patch) - offer a compelling narrative about American resilience and the ongoing pursuit of a 'more perfect union'. This was an in-depth primer on international affairs, national security threats and democratic values. Lt. Col. Vindman had so many valuable insights for listeners interested in understanding the complexities of today's political landscape and the role of dialogue in bridging societal divisions.
WHY IT MATTERS: alexandervindman.substack.com/
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Wednesday Jun 12, 2024
Wednesday Jun 12, 2024
"...expos(ing) the activities of dictators and human rights abusers, while sharing stories of those doing good around the world."
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Hagar Hajjar Chemali is a YouTube host and creator of “Oh My World!” which covers the major world news of the week in an easy-to-understand and entertaining way. Hagar is also an adjunct professor at Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs and a nonresident senior fellow with the Atlantic Council’s GeoEconomics Center. She writes on national security and is featured regularly as a guest expert on MSNBC, CNN, BBC, Bloomberg, and one of our favorites, Politicology. Prior to all this, Hagar was Director of Communications and Spokesperson for the U.S. Mission to the United Nations under President Obama, Spokesperson for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence at the U.S. Department of the Treasury, Director for Syria and Lebanon at the National Security Council at the White House, and she was a Senior Policy Advisor on Asia, and Policy Advisor on the Middle East in the Office of Terrorist Financing and Financial Crimes at the U.S. Treasury. But the most important thing you need to know about Hagar is that she, her 3 kids and her dad are excellent dancers!
01:24 Guest Introduction: Hagar Hajjar Chemali
02:00 Hagar's Work and Background
04:32 The Crush List and Zeitouna
08:58 Civil Dialogue and Empathy
18:01 Navigating Media and Information
23:18 Columbia Protests and Student Engagement
43:28 Sanctions and Counter Illicit Finance
48:02 Global Economic Concerns
49:52 Ukraine Conflict: A Long-Term Struggle
52:09 The Role of U.S. Leadership
55:52 Transnational Repression and Authoritarianism
01:05:13 Mentorship and Career Reflections
01:19:06 The Importance of Diverse Perspectives
01:30:39 Conclusion and Future Conversations
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Sunday Jun 09, 2024
Sunday Jun 09, 2024
No, this isn't the start of a joke... but it was pretty funny. This happened on the day Trump's convictions were announced. We were at a hotel pub with one self-described conservative and one progressive on each side of the bar. The truth is, there were some encouraging examples of how to connect across our differences. But there was also much that illustrated what NOT to do. And it might surprise you who ended up displaying the more virtuous way to engage.
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00:33 Big Announcement: Joining Patreon
03:01 The Bar Conversation: Setting the Scene
06:27 Engaging with Different Perspectives
10:03 Unexpected Interruption
20:12 Reflecting on the Encounter
27:46 Conclusion and Takeaways
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Wednesday Jun 05, 2024
Wednesday Jun 05, 2024
We’re joined by friend of the pod, Pete Wehner, contributing writer at The Atlantic and senior fellow at the Trinity Forum, to explore how Peter’s Christian faith influences his views on suffering, scriptural interpretation, and ethical dilemmas. The conversation addresses the current political climate, particularly focusing on Donald Trump's impact on the Evangelical community and the Republican Party. Emphasizing honest and empathetic dialogue, we discuss the challenges of maintaining faith in divisive times and envision potential paths for the church's and conservative movement’s future redemption. Highlighting the power of personal connections, there’s a fun story about 2 New York Rangers fans finding common ground across political differences while watching the game at a bar in LA, illustrating the broader theme of building relationships beyond political and ideological differences.
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00:00 Introduction to the Podcast
00:32 Big Announcement: Join Us on Patreon
01:36 Introducing Today's Guest: Pete Wehner
02:46 Pete Wehner on Faith and Doubts
03:33 The Question of Suffering and Hermeneutics
07:32 Literal vs. Figurative Interpretation of Scripture
22:59 The Profundity of the Crucifixion
40:54 Evangelicals’ Support for Trump
52:23 Political Reactions to Trump's Conviction
57:40 The Cult of Personality in Modern Republicanism
01:02:46 The Future of the Republican Party
01:05:33 Hope and Redemption in Politics and Faith
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https://www.theatlantic.com/author/peter-wehner/
Monday Jun 03, 2024
Monday Jun 03, 2024
This time, Corey was in the hot seat. He joins Michael Baranowski, Professor Emeritus of Political Science at Northern Kentucky University and Host of The Politics Guys Podcast, for a conversation on their terrific show. Here are the show notes from TPG:
"Mike talks with Corey Nathan, host of the most excellent podcast, Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other. Corey shares his unique perspective as a “born-again Christian with a thick Jewish accent” and how his background has influenced his approach to discussing sensitive topics like politics and religion.
"Topics Mike & Corey Discuss Include:
– how and why Corey doesn’t fit the ‘Evangelical Christian’ stereotype
– discussing politics with evangelical Christians
– a Biblical approach to political issues like immigration and LGBTQ rights
– searching for the truth, as opposed to trying to ‘win’ every argument
– the value of regularly engaging with people with whom we disagree
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"The Politics Guys is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it."
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Wednesday May 29, 2024
Wednesday May 29, 2024
Can you imagine a better and a healthier politics? If so, what does that look like? And how do we get from here to there?
In this conversation, we’re joined by Michael Wear, founder, president, and CEO of the Center for Christianity and Public Life, about the intersection of faith and politics. Michael shares insights from his book, THE SPIRIT OF OUR POLITICS, discussing his personal journey of faith, the role of Christian resources in public life, and the importance of spiritual formation. The discussion also covers Michael's reflections on political sectarianism, the importance of integrating various aspects of one's soul, and the significance of engaging in productive, humble dialogue. We touch on practical antidotes to current political polarization, and how Christians and non-Christians alike can benefit from these insights.
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01:03 Meet Michael Wear: Faith and Public Life
02:16 Personal Reflections and Faith
06:10 Christianity's Role in Politics
08:28 Navigating Diverse Beliefs
16:31 The Importance of Moral Knowledge
19:18 Dallas Willard's Influence
32:53 Ruby Bridges: A Lesson in Faith and Courage
40:54 Forgiveness and Public Testimonies
42:51 Misinterpretations of Biblical Actions
47:56 Political Sectarianism and Its Antidotes
50:15 Spiritual Practices for Modern Times
53:18 Introduction to 'Wear We Are' Podcast
55:37 Center for Christianity and Public Life
57:40 Apprenticeship to Jesus
01:03:37 Reflections on Political Engagement
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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www.michaelwear.com/spirit-of-our-politics
Wednesday May 22, 2024
Wednesday May 22, 2024
We welcome our favorite "travieso" and political consultant Mike Madrid, co-founder of the Lincoln Project, to discuss the evolving role of the Latino electorate within American democracy. We explore Mike's new book, THE LATINO CENTURY, and delve into contemporary political trends, generational perspectives, and economic challenges facing Latino communities. Our discussion highlights the impact of Latino voters on future elections, especially in key states like North Carolina. The episode underscores the need for introspection within political parties and promises an optimistic future driven by a younger, diverse generation.
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01:04 A Warm Welcome to Mike Madrid
02:56 Mike Madrid's Journey on the Camino de Santiago
08:26 Exploring Latino Identity and Political Landscape
20:30 The Economic and Class Shift Among Latino Voters
27:07 Personal Stories of Family and Immigration
41:21 The Evolution of Republican Values and Latino Voters
47:55 Analyzing Latino Voting Trends and Political Affiliations
51:51 Analyzing the Political Landscape: Biden vs. Trump
52:50 Demographic Shifts and Electoral Strategies
56:09 The Latino Vote: A Missed Opportunity for Engagement
59:35 Campaign Insights: Villaraigosa and Gallego's Messaging
01:03:17 The Democratic Party's Challenges with Latino Voters
01:05:16 The Importance of Internal Critique in Political Parties
01:21:22 Optimism for America's Political Future
01:25:31 Strategies for Engaging Across Political Divides
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Latino-Century/Mike-Madrid/9781668015261
Sunday May 19, 2024
Sunday May 19, 2024
Some folks are worried about the conflicts of certain SCOTUS Justices (and their wives). Some are buying into conspiracy theories that have been distilled into talking points about a "weaponized Department of Justice." So we're taking a step back to say, "Relax. The judiciary branch is actually working well."
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In this episode, we start out with a brief assessment of conversations around Israel, the protests and review this complex set of issues. But then we get into concerns related to the U.S. judiciary's actions, including cases from January 6th and high-profile trials involving Donald Trump. Despite some flaws, the judiciary is functioning well. So we highlight instances where the justice system upheld democratic principles. We also cover misconceptions about media consumption among different political factions and how that skews our understanding of important events.
01:48 Personal Reflections and Challenges in Civil Discourse;
03:36 Navigating Political Nuances and Campus Protests;
04:27 Examining the Anti-Left Sentiment and Media Ecosystem;
06:47 Debunking DOJ Weaponization Claims and Judicial Integrity;
10:24 Insight into January 6th Cases and the Judicial Process;
25:02 Analyzing the Judiciary's Role in Upholding Democracy;
36:03 Concluding Thoughts on Political and Religious Dialogue
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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Wednesday May 15, 2024
Wednesday May 15, 2024
Can we learn to disagree with empathy and respect? Yes we can. And if you disagree with that, you're wrong... JK ;-)
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Dr. John Inazu is a law professor and political theorist who teaches at Washington University in St. Louis, where he is the Sally D. Danforth Distinguished Professor of Law and Religion. He teaches criminal law, law and religion, and various First Amendment courses. He writes and speaks frequently about pluralism, assembly, free speech, religious freedom, and other issues. John has written three books and published opinion pieces in the Washington Post, The Atlantic, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, USA Today, Newsweek, and CNN. Professor Inazu’s latest book is Learning to Disagree: The Surprising Path to Navigating Differences with Empathy and Respect which we discuss on this edition of TP&R.
00:59 Exploring Empathy and Disagreement with Dr. John Inazu;
13:41 The Practice of Empathy in Disagreement;
28:02 Understanding First Amendment Rights and Campus Protests;
32:36 Exploring Civil Disobedience and Its Consequences;
33:34 Personal Reflections: Reconnecting and Forgiving;
38:04 Navigating Difficult Conversations and Disagreements;
41:25 Choosing the Right Time and Place;
47:03 The Complexities of Faith, Patriotism, and Forgiveness;
57:30 Musical Influences and the Power of Jazz;
01:00:59 Closing Thoughts and How to Follow the Work
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com
www.amazon.com/Learning-Disagree-Surprising-Navigating-Differences/dp/0310368014
Sunday May 12, 2024
Sunday May 12, 2024
Tim Alberta is not only an excellent writer, he's also a practicing Christian and the son of an Evangelical pastor. So it's no wonder his recent book THE KINGDOM, THE POWER AND THE GLORY struck such a nerve as it "paints an expansive and profoundly troubling portrait of the American evangelical movement."
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We're joined by Tim Alberta upon the publication of his new book, The Kingdom, The Power and the Glory: American Evangelicals in an Age of Extremism. After starting out with some fun banter about Tim's beloved Detroit Lions and veering off into kids' names, we delve into weighty topics such as whether Tim still considers himself an #evangelical - more specifically, if there are aspects of his faith he's begun to question. Much of this conversation is about the new book: "The main thing is no longer the main thing" for so many megachurch pastors; Donald Trump is "a creation of the culture gone crazy" (especially in the American Evangelical church); whether hucksters like Trump and Paula White, when they're behind closed doors, laugh at all their "suckers" that buy into their various schemes; who Tim thinks is the audience for THE KINGDOM, THE POWER, AND THE GLORY - and who he hopes the audience is; and we get to hear some input from Charles Mingus the 3rd!
Tim Alberta is a staff writer for The Atlantic and the former chief political correspondent for Politico, and has written for dozens of other publications, including the Wall Street Journal, Sports Illustrated, and Vanity Fair. He is the author of the New York Times bestseller American Carnage: On the Front Lines of the Republican Civil War and the Rise of President Trump and the newly released The Kingdom, The Power and the Glory. He co-moderated the final Democratic presidential debate of 2019 and frequently appears as a commentator on television programs in the United States and around the world. And as listeners will quickly learn, Tim is a big time Detroit Lions fan.
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com
www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Power-Glory-Evangelicals-Extremism/dp/006322688X
Thursday May 09, 2024
Thursday May 09, 2024
On today’s edition, we shook it up a bit. Rachel Bitecofer, Ph.D. has dissected well-worn tactics that today’s Republican Party deploys with a great deal of success. Her latest book HIT ‘EM WHERE IT HURTS is about how to “beat Republicans at their own game.” As former RNC Chair, Michael Steele, has said, “Democrats and Republicans who care about democracy would be wise to pay attention to her work.” (Yeah, you read that correct and it wasn't a typo - that's from the guy who used to head up the Republican National Committee.)
Rachel Bitecofer is a political scientist and election forecaster turned political strategist. You may have seen her interviews and analysis in such outlets as The New York Times, The Washington Post, Salon, Politico, The New Republic, Real Time with Bill Maher, CNN, MSNBC, and many other prominent news sources. She worked with Democratic Party candidates and organizations to implement negative partisanship strategy in the 2022 midterms. Rachel is also the author of HIT ‘EM WHERE IT HURTS: HOW TO SAVE DEMOCRACY BY BEATING REPUBLICANS AT THEIR OWN GAME. But she came to prominence way before all this when she predicted the size (to the seat) of the Democrats’ Blue Wave in the 2018 midterms.
00:54 Spotlight on Rachel Bitecofer: From Political Scientist to Strategist;
01:49 The 2018 Midterm Predictions and Political Shifts;
05:31 Analyzing the 2024 Election Risks and Trump's Influence;
08:23 The Urgency of Understanding Project 2025;
15:16 Rachel Bitecofer's Personal Journey and Academic Background;
20:29 Strategies for the Democratic Party: A New Approach;
36:22 The Role of Journalism and Media in Democracy;
38:22 The Impact of Right-Wing Ecosystem on Public Belief;
38:41 The Role of Donald Trump in Shaping Public Distrust;
39:12 Manipulation of Journalism and Public Perception;
39:49 The Strategy Behind Republican Messaging;
40:59 Observing Real-Time Messaging During the Mar-a-Lago Raid;
41:14 The Power of Unified Messaging in Politics;
41:41 Media's Role in Legitimizing Questionable Narratives;
42:35 Challenging the Normalization of Extremism;
45:47 The Art of Electoral War: Strategies and Countermeasures;
47:14 Tackling Misinformation and Strategic Messaging;
59:46 Engaging in Political Conversations: Strategies and Insights;
01:01:50 Effective Communication Across Political Divides
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com
https://www.hitemwhereithurts.com/
https://twitter.com/RachelBitecofer
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Sunday May 05, 2024
Sunday May 05, 2024
We all have opinions. And there are more ways than ever to voice those opinions. But before expressing those opinions, have we really taken the time to understand the complexity of any given issue? More specifically, have we taken the time to speak with and consider the views of folks who are on the “other side” of that issue?
In this edition, we’ll be looking at the widespread phenomenon of campus protests across the country and the world. The initial plan was to compare campus protesters to January 6th insurrectionists; but instead, it was more valuable to explore the topic more thoughtfully, aiming to avoid fueling conflicts. So we examine diverse aspects of protests, including their objectives, the media's focus on sensational aspects (“nut picking”), and the potential ineffectiveness of disruptive tactics as well as the historical record that indicates how many such protests ultimately did more harm than good to their own cause. It was helpful to share the personal account from a friend who participated in peaceful demonstrations, offering insights into the protesters' perspectives and demands. We also review the importance of understanding and respecting the rights to free speech and assembly while considering reasonable restraints on those rights such as “time, place and manner” restrictions, as well as the impacts of protests on broader society. More broadly, it’s important to emphasize the need for balanced and informed conversations around contentious issues, advocating for empathy and open-mindedness in evaluating differing viewpoints.
01:31 A Deep Dive into Campus Protests;
05:58 Exploring the Other Side: Conversations with a Protest Participant;
07:43 Understanding the Demands and Goals of Campus Protests;
11:04 Reflecting on Free Speech and Its Complexities;
27:45 The Role of Universities in Nurturing Democracy;
35:26 Concluding Thoughts and Encouragement for Dialogue
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
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David French's 4/28/24 NYT piece "Colleges Have Gone off the Deep End. There Is a Way Out."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/28/opinion/protests-college-free-speech.html
David Brooks 5/2/24 NYT piece "Why the Protests Help Trump"
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/02/opinion/student-protests-trump.html
Free Speech Center article on "time, place and manner" restrictions:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/02/opinion/student-protests-trump.html
If Not Now Org - https://www.instagram.com/ifnotnoworg/
Thursday May 02, 2024
Thursday May 02, 2024
With Nikki Haley having dropped out of the race for the Republican nomination for president, why is she still getting so many votes in primaries all over the country? Even though it's been months since Haley suspended her campaign, she still gets significant percentages of the vote in the Republican primary contest. So where will those Haley voters turn in the general election? Robert Schwartz, the Co-founder and Senior Advisor to Haley Voters for Biden, is joining in a sweeping effort to persuade Nikki Haley supporters to vote for President Joe Biden this fall.
With a background in foreign affairs as a public policy professional focused on authoritarian regimes, Robert has a better understanding than many of what's at stake in 2024. So we were glad that he joined us to better understand this bloc of voters and so much more. Robert shares his journey from a politically curious teenager to a major advocate for bipartisan dialogue and action; his role in foreign policy and his time at Harvard's public policy program; and his efforts to promote democratic values against the backdrop of rising authoritarian tendencies. We also discuss the strategies and motivations behind the Haley Voters for Biden initiative, aiming to mobilize support among Republicans and independents who are disillusioned with Donald Trump's leadership. Then we get real as we explore the challenges facing American democracy, the potential impact of third-party candidates, and strategies for engaging voters across the political spectrum in meaningful conversations.
01:16 Introduction: Robert Schwartz, Co-Founder HV4B;
05:17 Navigating Political Philosophy and Activism;
08:17 Concerns Over American Democracy's Stability;
10:35 Exploring the Impact of Project 2025 and Political Strategies;
20:22 Analyzing the Republican Primary and Voter Dynamics;
29:23 Strategic Messaging and Targeting for Political Influence;
38:10 Decoding the Political Strategy: The Plus Two Concept;
41:00 The Swing State Focus: Key States in the Presidential Election;
58:26 The Challenge of Third-Party Voters in Swing States;
01:06:35 Engaging Across Political Divides: Strategies for Conversation
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
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Monday Apr 29, 2024
Monday Apr 29, 2024
Let's talk about the words, actions and character of Donald J. Trump in light of what the Bible says about virtue and vice. But instead of starting with our political preferences and prejudices and THEN backing shards of Scripture into what we want, what if we started with what the Bible actually says FIRST? Then we can more earnestly reckon with the implications of what we're dealing with today.
Here are a few of the Scriptural references that came up:
- Exodus 20: "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."
- 2 Kings 3: "(Jehoram) did evil in the sight of the Lord."
- Proverbs 6: "There are six things that the Lord hates, Seven that are an abomination to Him..."
- Proverbs 10: "Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool..."
- John 2: "(Jesus) said, 'Take these things away from here; stop making My Father’s house a place of business!'”
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Thursday Apr 25, 2024
Thursday Apr 25, 2024
Can an atheist and a Christian have a meaningful, friendly conversation? Can we explore our differences without being jerks to each other? Well, here's one atheist and one Christian who gave it a whirl!
Kate Cohen, a Washington Post contributing columnist, is a writer whose latest book, WE OF LITTLE FAITH, is "an impassioned call for nonbelievers to be honest with themselves and their families about their lack of belief—and help change the American cultural conversation." So, it was a special treat to have Kate on the program to discuss her journey to atheism and the implications of raising children as atheists in today's society. We explored a range of issues such as Kate's insights into the creative process, the importance of honesty in personal belief systems, and the intersection of atheism with culture, family, and politics. She also discusses the role of humor when tackling serious topics, the significance of understanding and openness in conversations about differing beliefs, and the perspective of facing mortality and legacy as an atheist. Additionally, we exchange personal stories, highlighting challenges and nuances in family dynamics when belief systems diverge, and explore the common ground atheists and religious folks can find in activism and moral responsibility.
01:46 The Art of Crafting a Book Title and Memoir Writing;
03:24 A Special Presenation from Jesse Cohen-Greenberg;
19:29 Navigating Family Dynamics and Beliefs;
27:02 Engaging with Atheism and Theism;
33:30 Understanding Atheism: Definitions and Personal Reflections;
46:36 The Importance of Community and Morality Beyond Religion;
48:25 Finding Awe and Wonder Without Supernatural Beliefs;
50:29 Legacy, Memory, and Making an Impact;
01:02:06 Navigating Family, Faith, and Identity;
01:18:23 Reflecting on Atheism, Activism, and Social Responsibility
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Kate's website: https://katecohen.net/
Her columnist page at the Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/people/kate-cohen/
Here's one of Kate's pieces in WaPo: Opinion | America doesn’t need more God. It needs more atheists. | https://wapo.st/3WaSjLl
A link to WE OF LITTLE FAITH: https://www.amazon.com/We-Little-Faith-Stopped-Pretending-ebook/dp/B0BV7MG25G?ref_=ast_author_mpb
And this is Jesse Cohen-Greenberg's music: When Will My Body Be Mine? | https://open.spotify.com/album/3GHFu2zZIBVzuwjhuK61j7?si=w_r4ZHGXQ8OJsVY3M2zYMg
Sunday Apr 21, 2024
Sunday Apr 21, 2024
What does it mean to be a conservative? What about being a Christian? What does that mean in terms of how one would understand and uphold virtue vs vice? And if I am truly a conservative and a Christian, can I then support Donald Trump?
In this edition, we explore the nuances of conservative values and Christian beliefs amidst our politically charged environment. To get clarity on what it means to be a conservative and a Christian, it requires NOT surrendering to the extremists who monopolize conversations around politics and religion. Our discussion dives into the foundational principles of conservatism, such as:
- Individual Freedom,
- Limited Government,
- Rule of Law,
- Peace through Strength,
- Fiscal Responsibility,
- Free Markets,
- and *Human Dignity,
...contrasting these with the divisive and aggressive tactics often employed in Trump-era politics. Contrary to what passes for “conservative” in today’s political and media landscape, we’ll look at the way true conservatism respects the U.S. Constitution and promotes a healthy, engaged citizenry, devoid of blanket vilification via broad generalizations and dehumanization. We’ll also give a sneak peak into Part II of this discussion on Christian values, specifically targeting the misalignment of Trump's actions with biblical teachings. So, yeah, this one might tweak some beaks!
00:40 Celebrating Listener Reviews and Engagement;
02:49 The Impact of Extremism on Public Discourse;
13:40 Exploring the True Meaning of Conservatism;
14:16 Principles of Conservatism vs. Trumpism;
27:29 The Importance of Human Dignity in Conservatism;
34:35 Teaser for the Next Episode: Christianity vs Trumpism
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Thursday Apr 18, 2024
Thursday Apr 18, 2024
From 9/11 to 1/6; from growing up as a Christian to reckoning with the current state of the Evangelical church in America; Elizabeth Neumann, the former Assistant Secretary for Counterterrorism and Threat Prevention at the US Department of Homeland Security, has the experience and has done the work to understand what's at stake in our country. So it was an honor to have her back on the program to discuss all this and more.
Elizabeth Neumann had a first hand look at the inner workings of the Trump Administration. What's clear from her experience is that there were a lot of people who were hard working public servants doing their best to serve the country's interests while, at the same time, having to navigate the daily chaos that defined Trump's time in office. And Elizabeth certainly has an informed perspective, having also served in the George W. Bush Administration. (Spoiler Alert: Those 2 admins couldn't have been more different.) So we delve into the historic bookends of September 11th, 2001 and January 6th, 2021. We also candidly explore, as Christians, how so many of our friends from church have become radicalized; are sympathic to or are dismissive of acts of violent extremism; and some who have even participated in demonstrations of extremism. Most importantly, as the subtitle of Elizabeth's book indicates, we explore the path back to peace.
ELIZABETH NEUMANN served as the Assistant Secretary for Counterterrorism and Threat Prevention at the US Department of Homeland Security. Elizabeth is an ABC News contributor and the Chief Strategy Officer at Moonshot which builds solutions for one of the most pressing challenges facing communities around the world: violent extremism. She is also the author of the important new book, Kingdom of Rage: The Rise of Christian Extremism and the Path Back to Peace.
01:41 Elizabeth's Journey: From Counterterrorism to Author;
04:12 Exploring the Roots of Extremism and Personal Faith;
24:04 The Role of Media and Social Media in Shaping Views;
29:16 Raising Informed and Engaged Citizens;
33:51 Comparing the George W. Bush and Trump Administrations;
42:48 Navigating Trump's Influence and Policy Challenges;
44:09 Forecasting the Future: A Second Trump Administration;
44:26 The Impact of Inexperienced Appointees and Ideological Shifts;
45:15 The Global Implications of Withdrawing from NATO and Support for Ukraine;
47:31 Analyzing the January 6th Insurrection and Its Precursors;
55:24 The Role of Christian Extremism in Political Violence;
01:03:36 Addressing Extremism and the Importance of Local Engagement;
01:14:21 Conversations Across Differences: Strategies for Dialogue
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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Sunday Apr 14, 2024
Sunday Apr 14, 2024
"Bringing people together to learn how to do democracy again. And we're gonna go after the crazies in the political environment that do not have the interest of the country at heart." - Adam Kinzinger
Rep. Adam Kinzinger served with integrity during his time in the U.S. Congress as well as the Air Force. Yet, the mere mention of his name sends a certain ex-President (HINT: rhymes with Shmump) as well as many of that ex-prez's most loyal followers into a rage. So it was a special honor for us to speak with former Congressman Kinzinger. Having served in Congress from 2011 to 2023 and on notable committees such as the House Select Committee investigating the January 6 Capitol attack, he discusses the challenges of political extremism, the importance of compromise, and his journey from a conservative upbringing to questioning his beliefs, while staying true to deeply rooted, unimpeachable values. He addresses the toxicity of social media, the need for reconciliation across political and religious spectrums, and his work with Country First, aimed at promoting democracy and moderating political discourse. Adam's reflections on his faith, encounters with extremism, and the significance of genuine conversation across differences provide a nuanced perspective on navigating the complexities of current American political and religious landscapes.
Congressman Adam Kinzinger served in the U.S. House of Representatives from 2011 to 2023, representing Illinois’ 16th Congressional District. During his tenure, he served on the House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, as well as the House Committee on Energy and Commerce and the House Foreign Affairs Committee. Rep. Kinzinger is the founder of Country First, an organization that works to activate the MUTED Majority to reject division and seek proven solutions to the challenges not being addressed by our leaders. He is also the author of RENEGADE: DEFENDING DEMOCRACY AND LIBERTY IN OUR DIVIDED COUNTRY. Prior to being elected to Congress, he served in the Air Force in both Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. He is a Lieutenant Colonel in the Air National Guard and a Senior Political Commentator on CNN.
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Thursday Apr 11, 2024
Thursday Apr 11, 2024
Are REPUBLICAN VOTERS AGAINST TRUMP our greatest BULWARK against authoritarianism and the most significant constituency in DEFENDING DEMOCRACY TOGETHER? (Dad jokes about the future of our Constitutional Republic aside...) Bill Kristol shares his thoughts on the state of our democracy and how this year's consequential election is shaping up.
So glad to be joined again by Bill Kristol, Editor at Large of The Bulwark; Director of Defending Democracy Together; and Host of Conversations with Bill Kristol. We took time to reflect on Bill’s early political experiences, including his roles in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations, his academic career, and his work with the Project for the Republican Future. We also touch on our shared passion for baseball, particularly for the New York Mets! We then delve into Bill’s critical views on the Trump presidency, the rise of authoritarianism, and the importance of defending liberal democracy. He shares insights into his efforts with the Republican Voters Against Trump initiative and the importance of bipartisan engagement in preserving democratic norms. We then discuss the impact of social and political polarization, the significance of grassroots activism, and the need for open, exploratory dialogue across ideological divides. We wind down with Bill emphasizing the resilience of the American political system and the potential for positive change through collective action and constructive discourse.
00:52 Meet Bill Kristol: A Storied Career in Politics;
01:58 Baseball and Politics: A Personal Connection;
04:09 Navigating Political Ideologies: From Youth to Present;
05:41 The Evolution of Political Beliefs and the Impact of External Changes;
10:18 The Threat of Illiberalism and the Defense of Liberal Democracy;
15:21 Exploring the Dangers of Trumpism and Authoritarian Tendencies;
26:56 The Role of Intellectuals and Voters in Shaping Political Futures;
33:59 The Impact of Testimonials from Former Trump Voters;
34:53 The Strategy Behind Targeting Swing Voters;
35:54 Challenges and Strategies in Political Advertising;
36:55 Building a Broad Coalition Against Trump;
42:09 The Role of Money in Politics and Campaign Strategies;
44:34 Fostering Careers and Nurturing Talent in Politics;
50:43 The Evolution of Political Discourse and Outreach;
54:36 Final Thoughts on Political Engagement and Hope
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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www.defendingdemocracytogether.org
Sunday Apr 07, 2024
Sunday Apr 07, 2024
What do we say when others label us one way or another? Why do folks have a tendency to do that in the first place? Why is it important to engage when someone mischaracterizes our views? And, if we don't fall neatly into one category, what might be a more accurate way to describe how we do identify politically?
In this edition, host Corey Nathan goes through these questions including whether it's accurate to say he's part of THE LEFT and whether there would be anything wrong with such a political leaning. We go through recent right-wing podcasts and other media to better understand what many of our friends and neighbors are listening to and reading about THE LEFT including what Tucker Carlson's been up to and a couple of the recent episodes of Victor Davis Hanson's and Steven Crowder's shows. We look at defining principles of the MAGA movement and whether there are any principles so much as anti-partisanship. There's a response about those who've hijacked the ideas of conservatism as a philosophy and Christianity as an identity. We define what it means to be delusional and examine an illustration of it. And finally we look at what in the world a "French Davidian" is!
In all seriousness, we discuss writers, thinkers and leaders who see people with different positions not as enemies but as human beings that we can learn from and even befriend to arrive at a higher truth; people who can thrive in environments where their own views aren’t the dominant ones; those who leave room for the possibility of changing - who know that evolving one’s positions isn’t a sign of weakness but of having the strength that comes with humility; and people who can hold space for the complexity of our world.
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com
Thursday Apr 04, 2024
Thursday Apr 04, 2024
Our democracy is brittle. Many would say our Constitutional Republic is in trouble. So what kind of work can we do on "actually renovating our institutions"?
We were fortunate to be joined by Dr. Danielle Allen, a democracy advocate, Harvard professor and nonprofit leader who's doing something about it. We talked about how to maintain a loving spirit when faced with "a lot of bleeps"; Danielle's fascinating family legacy and her "obsession" with democracy; what the heck a eudaemonist democratic pragmatist is; the ways the 5 freedoms articulated in the 1st Amendment are under threat; the merits of ranked choice voting, expanding the House of Representatives and other democratic renovations; the imperative of developing a civic portfolio; and how to "not let our differences take our humanity hostage."
Prof. Danielle Allen is James Bryant Conant University Professor at Harvard University. She is a professor of political philosophy, ethics, and public policy and director of the Democratic Knowledge Project and of the Allen Lab for Democracy Renovation. Outside the University, she is a co-chair for the Our Common Purpose Commission and Founder and President for Partners In Democracy, where she advocates for democracy reform to create greater voice and access in our democracy, and to drive progress towards a new social contract that serves and includes us all.
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
It would mean so much if you could leave us a review on Apple Podcasts: https://bit.ly/TPandRPod
Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com
Be sure to read Danielle's series in the Washington Post on How to Renovate American Democracy:
Sunday Mar 31, 2024
Sunday Mar 31, 2024
Fred Guttenberg became a nationally known activist on gun safety after his daughter Jaime was tragically murdered in the mass shooting in Parkland, Florida. Former Congressman Joe Walsh has been a self-described "rabid gun rights advocate." So how did these two guys go from being on completely different sides of such a heated issue to becoming dear friends who are now collaborating on a national tour called TWO DADS DEFENDING DEMOCRACY?
In this special coming together, we explore Fred and Joe's evolution from adversaries to collaborators through their unique friendship. Initially at odds due to their differing views on gun control, they discovered a shared commitment to democracy and engaging in respectful dialogue across political and ideological divides. They speak about their collaborative initiative, "Two Dads Defending Democracy," aimed at encouraging Americans to participate in the democratic process, highlight the importance of conversations across differences, and reflect on personal stories that underscore their transformation. We talk about a number of ways they're both trying to make a positive difference including Fred's non-profit Orange Ribbons for Jaime, Joe's continued contributions on White Flag with Joe Walsh, and their appearances together demonstrating that instead of remaining enemies over any given issue, even those we're most passionate about, mutual respect wins every time.
00:42 Getting to Know Joe Walsh: From Congress to Gun Rights Advocate;
02:24 Fred Guttenberg's Journey: From Tragedy to Advocacy;
03:44 Bridging Divides: A Story of Friendship and Understanding;
07:39 Real Talk about Gun Safety;
13:20 The Power of Dialogue: Moving Beyond Polarization;
14:57 A Deep Dive into the Second Amendment and Gun Safety;
20:33 Finding Common Ground: The Path to Reducing Gun Violence;
30:58 Exploring Red Flag Laws: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly;
33:41 The Impact of 'White Flag' on Activism and Public Policy;
35:09 America's Shift in Gun Culture and the NRA's Influence;
42:31 More Bridging Divides: Two Dads Defending Democracy;
50:44 Engaging Across Differences: Strategies for Democracy;
52:41 Closing Thoughts: Hope, Engagement, and the American Experiment
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
It would mean so much if you could leave us a review on Apple Podcasts: https://bit.ly/TPandRPod
Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
Very grateful for our sponsor Meza Wealth Management. Reach out to Jorge and his team: www.mezawealth.com
White Flag with Joe Walsh - pod.link/1590913798
And just to be clear... LET'S GO RANGERS! ;-)
Thursday Mar 28, 2024
Thursday Mar 28, 2024
Why is it that when there's a criticism of Donald Trump, that some folks who support him react as if it's an attack on them personally?
On this installment of our program, host Corey Nathan explores this phenomenon. There have been a number of times when Corey and/or the guests have examined the words, actions and character of Donald Trump - and let's face it, there's much to criticize. Like, every day. But it becomes problematic when a friend who happens to support Trump takes that critique as if it's an attack against them and their character. Corey shares several instances of when this has occurred in response to recent interviews and posts. He also scratches the surface of what's happening in right wing media as one possible explanation of where this is all coming from.
But by the end of this talk, we explore ways of how to engage with folks who do seem to take it personally when we openly critique something Trump says or does. Some of this includes setting clear understandings, finding ways to compliment the person, not tackling everything at once and, best of all, inviting them out for coffee or lunch!
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com
Sunday Mar 24, 2024
Sunday Mar 24, 2024
What’s it like to be targeted by Donald Trump? What’s it like to be viciously attacked and to have one’s family under threat due to the ex-President’s middle of the night rage tweets?
This is a story of resilience. It's a story of making a difference. But it's also about life being unpredictable and messy - and even having a messy kitchen! Mostly, it’s about how to “keep moving forward.”
Rachel Vindman is Co-host of The Suburban Women Problem, an excellent and timely podcast produced by Red Wine and Blue. Rachel and her family faced personal safety issues when her husband, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman testified in the first Trump impeachment hearings. Despite the challenges, through the podcast and her beautifully candid Substack Keep Moving Forward, Rachel decided to speak out and use her voice to encourage women to stand up for policies and elected officials addressing issues important to women and families. #keepmovingforward
01:15 Introducing Rachel Vindman: A Voice for Democracy;
03:01 The Power and Pitfalls of Social Media;
08:16 Navigating Parenting in the Digital Age;
13:38 The Political Landscape and Suburban Women's Influence;
22:45 Exploring Family Backgrounds and Personal Journeys;
38:37 Election Day 2016: A Turning Point;
47:26 Navigating Hostility and Protecting Family;
53:19 Confronting Misinformation and Embracing Truth;
55:04 The Journey of Grief and Resilience;
01:06:18 Empowering Voices and Making a Difference;
01:24:22 Exploring Future Projects and Personal Reflections
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
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Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com
redwine.blue/the-suburban-women-problem/
Thursday Mar 21, 2024
Thursday Mar 21, 2024
How do we harness the power of communication in bridging societal divides? We spoke with Elliot Kirschner, an Emmy award-winning journalist and documentary filmmaker, to help us “Through the Fog…”
Elliot shares his journey from CBS to his Substack “Through the Fog,” his dedication to science communication, and reflections on the role of journalism and science in democracy. We delve into his collaboration with Dan Rather, his academic pursuits in history and literature, and his current endeavors that strive to make science accessible to the public. Elliot also espouses the transformative potential of national service programs, science communication, and storytelling in healing our divisions, underlining the power of optimism and collaborative efforts in facilitating dialogue and understanding.
07:36 The Essence of Democracy and American Identity;
13:27 Transitioning from Producer to Personal Voice;
25:12 Cultural Heritage and Family Dynamics;
34:20 The Stakes of Democracy in Upcoming Elections;
40:47 Reflecting on Bipartisanship and Legislative Challenges;
42:24 Congressional Dysfunction and Its Impact;
46:26 The Evolution and Challenges of Modern Journalism;
53:15 The Potential of Hyper-Localized Journalism;
57:35 The Role of Science in Uniting People;
01:04:15 Fostering Conversations Across Divides
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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Sunday Mar 17, 2024
Sunday Mar 17, 2024
Some might be inclined to believe recent discussions about totalitarianism are hyperbolic. In fact, the U.S. has a long history in which law, culture, medicine and religion have all been in the mix on exactly such experiments.
In our latest visit with Jon Rauch, we go into depth on his recent piece in The Atlantic, THE U.S. SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO GAY PEOPLE, which profiles America's historical attempts at erasing homosexuality, the impact this pervasive practice had on people's lives and what should be done to make it right. We also delve into Jon's personal experiences and his work on creating frameworks for productive conversations across political and religious divides. It's always worth revisiting Jon's landmark book, The Constitution of Knowledge. Plus we learn more about his personal connection to Justice Sandra Day O'Connor and her family.
05:12 The Happiness Curve: Personal and Societal Perspectives;
06:13 The Intersection of Religion, Democracy, and LGBTQ+ Rights;
08:28 Unveiling the History of Government-Led Discrimination Against Gay People;
32:24 The Importance of Acknowledging and Addressing Past Wrongs;
39:34 Personal Stories of Discrimination and Hope;
41:51 A Tribute to Sandra Day O'Connor: Personal Reflections;
51:11 The Constitution of Knowledge and Navigating Social Media Chaos
Let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/01/lavender-scare-gay-people-public-service-erasure/677236/
www.amazon.com/Constitution-Knowledge-Jonathan-Rauch/dp/0815738862/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0
Thursday Mar 14, 2024
Thursday Mar 14, 2024
If the goal here is to reach across our differences and at least to try and understand each other better, this was an epic FAIL!
This edition recounts an experience Corey had with someone he's known for a long time and has had many conversations with. But this pseudonymously named "Evan" did something after October 7th that put all subsequent dialogue on a much more strained path. Corey shares some of the comments that were made in the immediate aftermath of war breaking out in Israel as well as more recent exchanges with this individual. And the question is, how could this have gone better? Or is the right answer that sometimes you just have to know when to walk away... and stay away. As much as we might want to stay on the field, as much as we refuse to cede the entire village square to extremists, sometimes the best option is to simply know one's limitations and set healthy boundaries.
It's a sincere set of questions. So please let us know what you think. You can find Corey on all the socials @coreysnathan such as www.threads.net/@coreysnathan.
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Sunday Mar 10, 2024
Sunday Mar 10, 2024
Gotta admit: This was fun! Tina Nguyen, national correspondent for Puck and author of THE MAGA DIARIES, gives us an inside look at the complexities within the right-wing movement, Trump's influence, the dynamics at play in today’s Republican party and her behind-the-scenes perspective at different political events (yes, those events). She also talks about what it was like to write this book and her approach to handling social media and online interactions. Oh, and Corey couldn’t help asking Tina about working for Tucker Carlson, the influence he wields and how she views him today. Tina’s so candid about the worlds she’s navigated, whether it's the conservative movement on campuses, the siloed ecosystem of right-wing media and even fringe ideas like the Convention of States initiative. It was also good to hear how Tina found a foothold beyond those early experiences and into other publications like Vanity Fair, Mediaite, Politico and now Puck.
00:05 Introduction to Tina Nguyen;
04:43 Understanding the Dynamics of the Activist Right;
14:35 The Influence of Media on Politics;
21:52 The Impact of Tucker Carlson on American Discourse;
31:25 Reflecting on Personal and Professional Trajectories;
38:59 Influence and Social Pressure in DC;
41:10 The Consequences of Speaking Out;
46:07 The Importance of Relationships in Career Development;
48:40 The Challenges of Social Media and Public Perception;
53:55 The Threat of the Convention of States
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www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-MAGA-Diaries/Tina-Nguyen/9781982189693
Wednesday Mar 06, 2024
Wednesday Mar 06, 2024
In this episode we discuss the problem of vilifying and generalizing political and social groups. You know: “Them” or “those people.” Just as an exercise, Corey did a quick search of “top conservative podcasts” and it was quite revealing. There’s a consistent, pervasive use of sensationalist and divisive rhetoric to portray liberals, “leftists” and anyone not aligned with their respective views, which ultimately fosters misunderstanding and division. So it’s important to think of individual perspectives vs. the dangers of “nut picking”—highlighting extreme cases as representative of whole groups. We can engage in discussions about politics and religion with respect and patience. We can see people as individuals beyond their political beliefs. We also touch on the responsibility of media consumers to critically evaluate the sources and perspectives they engage with to avoid falling into the trap of “the perniciousness of them.”
01:12 The Perniciousness of "Them";
02:31 Exploring Top Conservative Podcasts;
03:53 The Impact of Media Consumption;
06:20 The Mischaracterization of "The Left";
06:54 The Question of Conservative Identity;
08:57 The Influence of Media on Perception;
09:58 The Decline of Traditional News Sites;
13:43 The Danger of Generalization;
28:00 Seeing the Individuality in Each Other
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
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Here's that article about the dropoff in traffic to news sites: https://www.therighting.com/therighting-unveils-2020-to-2024-election-year-traffic-comparison
Sunday Mar 03, 2024
Sunday Mar 03, 2024
*What if, at a pinnacle of our civilization’s technological achievement, everything just broke — the institutions we’ve come to rely upon in navigating a modern complex world, the shared stories that hold a large and diverse democratic republic together, and even a common language through which to navigate the rising tide of crisis. According to renowned social psychologist and author Jonathan Haidt, this describes our current reality, one that he calls “After Babel.” In this new normal, we are scattered by a digital environment into feuding tribes that are governed by mob dynamics and driven by a minority of ideological outliers, made stupid at warp speed by group think, and — thanks to social media — armed with billions of metaphorical “dart guns” with which to immediately wound “the enemy” in ways that are hardly only metaphorical. What could go wrong?
Our very special guest, Dr. Jonathan Haidt, will delve into the profound impact of social media on democratic societies, dissecting the intricate web of challenges it poses to civic trust and civil discourse. Don’t miss this chance to hear from one of the foremost thought leaders of our time — one who has generously given his counsel to The Village Square, and countless efforts like ours — on this existential challenge of our time.
*The above was stolen lovingly from Village SquareCast's shownotes.
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Read Why the Past Ten Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid in The Atlantic.
The program includes a preview of Haidt’s highly anticipated upcoming book The Anxious Generation, available at the end of March. You’re not going to want to miss it.
The Village Square and TP&R are proud members of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what's broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/
www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/729231/the-anxious-generation-by-jonathan-haidt/
Village SquareCast - pod.link/1520059234
Thursday Feb 29, 2024
Thursday Feb 29, 2024
Have you ever posted something on social media only to have someone drop in to completely disagree with you? Well, that sort of thing is the genesis of this conversation. Corey's buddy from high school, Rich Weiss, joins us to discuss politics, education, media influence, and the impact of social media on public discourse. Rich Weiss, a musician with the band Guilty Pleasures and an 8th grade teacher, and Corey explore their differing viewpoints on various political and societal issues, including the role of the media, education system challenges, and specific policies from the Trump administration. The dialogue also touches on the importance of listening, the potential benefits of ranked choice voting, and the ways to nurture relationships across differences. And believe it or not, Corey and Rich demonstrate how engaging in meaningful conversations about contentious topics is both possible and beneficial. We can do this!
01:10 Introducing Rich Weiss;
02:17 The Genesis of the Conversation;
02:54 Rich's Political Awakening and Journey;
09:20 Rich's Teaching Experience and Views on Education;
13:10 Rich's Views on Current Political Issues;
31:05 Discussion on Media Consumption and Information Sources;
39:26 The Double-Edged Sword of Media Democratization;
40:44 The Importance of Discernment in Consuming Media;
41:41 Challenging Political Assumptions;
44:14 The Role of Principle in Politics;
01:03:43 The Importance of Process in Politics;
01:09:10 Conclusion: The Power of Listening and Understanding
It would mean so much if you could leave us a review on Apple Podcasts: https://bit.ly/TPandRPod
Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com
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Here's how you can follow Rich's band: www.instagram.com/guiltypleasuresmusic/
And here are just a handful of the articles and videos Rich shared:
- ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status
- www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
- www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWX_ThcpIsQ
- www.newsweek.com/balenciaga-bondage-child-abuse-allegations-photo-shoot-claims-social-media-1761519
- www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/05/17/durham-report-vindicates-trump-fbi-russia-investigation/70222344007/
Sunday Feb 25, 2024
Sunday Feb 25, 2024
We’re joined by author, essayist, investigative journalist and the gloriously feral Nancy French. We discuss Nancy's new memoir, GHOSTED: AN AMERICAN STORY, which involves deeply personal topics such as her experiences with sexual abuse, faith struggles, being a ghostwriter for politicians, and increasing political turmoil. Nancy also talks about navigating her long-standing personal and professional relationships amid the Trumpification of the Republican party; how the party has drifted away from folks like her even though Nancy’s positions and philosophy haven’t changed; and how her Christian faith has played a significant role in the journey. We also candidly explore the dynamics of interpersonal relationships, the complexities in religious institutions, and being resilient in troubled times.
Nancy French is a five-time New York Times bestselling author, essayist, investigative journalist, and storyteller at the Moth. She’s published op-eds and articles in the Washington Post, USA Today, Time and many other publications. Her investigative journalism into abuse at Kanakuk Kamps appeared on the front page of USA Today. Nancy is also the co-author of The After Party with friend of the pod Curtis Chang and she’s the author of the new memoir GHOSTED: AN AMERICAN STORY.
01:20 Nancy French: A Brief Introduction;
05:14 The Art of Ghostwriting;
09:53 The Journey of Discovery and Art;
13:45 The Struggles of Writing Your Own Story;
19:38 The Challenges of Confronting Past Abuse;
31:10 The Power of Love and Relationships;
37:47 The Struggle with Faith and the Church;
40:25 Reflections on Christian Faith and History;
41:16 Experiences of Divine Intervention;
42:07 Discussing Faith with Non-Believers;
46:19 Political Writing and Its Consequences;
50:12 The Shift in Political Identity (Despite Not Having Changed);
52:11 The Impact of Political Polarization;
55:34 The Power of Human Connection Across Differences
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Talkin' Politics & Religion Without Killin' Each Other is part of The Democracy Group, a network of podcasts that examines what’s broken in our democracy and how we can work together to fix it.
Please support our sponsor Meza Wealth Management: www.mezawealth.com
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GHOSTED on Amazon - https://amzn.to/49tSNzO
Thursday Feb 22, 2024
Thursday Feb 22, 2024
"I'm the bad guy?" This is about the whole idea of being part of group - the word "tribe" is often used - that thinks of itself as the good guys and anyone outside of that group as the bad guys. But do we ever stop to ask whether "I'm the bad guy?"
Here's the reference from the movie FALLING DOWN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLmuF-0P4tk
In this episode, Corey discusses the concept of personal accountability in the context of political and religious engagement. He explores his experiences with political disagreements, how personal conduct can alienate and vilify, and how the refusal to accept one's role as the bad guy can fuel conflict. There are specific instances where Corey owns up to failing to uphold the principles of peaceable conversation and draws attention to the fact that acknowledging personal fallibility can be a significant step toward grace and understanding. Admitting it is the first step, right?
02:11 Reflections on the Movie 'Falling Down'
03:51 Political Polarization and the 'Good Guys vs Bad Guys' Mentality
04:50 Personal Experiences with Political Disagreements
12:23 Continuation of Personal Experiences and Reflections
20:09 The Role of Virtues in Political Engagement
27:14 Confessions, Grace, and the Journey Towards Understanding
28:54 Closing Thoughts and Listener Engagement
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Sunday Feb 18, 2024
Sunday Feb 18, 2024
Donald Trump's supposedly "perfect call" was the furthest thing from perfect. In this episode, Alexander Vindman tells us what was so dangerously wrong about it as well as WHY IT MATTERS.
Alexander Vindman, retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel and the director for European Affairs on the White House’s National Security Council, shares valuable perspectives on the Trump administration, Donald Trump’s unhinged lawlessness and the dangers the country faces if Trump is given another term. Dr. Vindman, having earned a Doctorate in International Affairs from Johns Hopkins, discusses international geopolitics, focusing particularly on Russian aggression and corruption. Lt. Col. Vindman offers a firsthand account of his experience in the Trump White House, the damage that’s already been done and the resilience of the U.S institutions that hold firm amidst these pervasive threats.
Throughout the conversation, Alex emphasizes the central role of local communities and the effectiveness of conversation in addressing divisive socio-political issues. His candid reflections on his own experiences - as an immigrant serving the country, in the face of profound institutional challenges and even his personal setbacks (eg. Operation Cabbage Patch) - offer a compelling narrative about American resilience and the ongoing pursuit of a 'more perfect union'. This was an in-depth primer on international affairs, national security threats and democratic values. Lt. Col. Vindman had so many valuable insights for listeners interested in understanding the complexities of today's political landscape and the role of dialogue in bridging societal divisions.
WHY IT MATTERS: alexandervindman.substack.com/
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Thursday Feb 15, 2024
Thursday Feb 15, 2024
I know, I know! Not everything’s okay. And yeah, there’s so much we can worry about. But, seriously. It’s gonna be okay.
In this episode, we take stock of a number of ways things have gone off the rails as well as what we’re looking at down the road. We get into the potentials of a second Trump term and its implications on American democracy. We outline potential threats of another Trump administration such as weaponizing the department of justice, using the military against domestic protest, and withdrawing the U.S. from NATO among others. Despite these potential challenges, there’s still reason to be hopeful. And it’s worth constantly reminding ourselves that things will be okay - one way or another.
We can account for the current state of divisiveness within the country, particularly around sensitive topics like immigration and the wave of disinformation. Despite legitimate skepticism and criticism of Trump and the way things are shaping up, it’s worth maintaining some equilibrium. In other words, as one curtain said to its other half, the other curtain, “Pull yourself together!” While bad things could happen, life will still go on. We each have agency to dictate how we react to and experience what's happening around us and, ultimately, the ability to still find a sense of peacefulness in life.
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Sunday Feb 11, 2024
Sunday Feb 11, 2024
Do political conversations leave you feeling like a 'combatant', a 'cynic' or just 'exhausted'? Are you a 'disappeared one' or do you have 'disappeared ones' that were a part of your life? Curtis Chang provides a roadmap to become a 'disciple' – Hopeful and humble.
In today’s episode, we welcome Curtis Chang, who's been on this program previously, to discuss The After Party, a timely, much-needed new project he launched with Dr. Russell Moore, David French and Nancy French. We dove deep into the concept of Christian politics, conspiracy theories, and the impact of societal divides on personal relationships. Curtis shared his thoughts around the need for a new approach to politics in the church, as well as a method for Christians to engage in political conversations without damaging relationships.
We explored Scripture, such as the differing political identities between Matthew the Tax Collector and Simon the Zealot, and examined how they managed to come together for a greater cause. (And for what it's worth, Tax Collectors and Zealots of the 1st Century make today's Republicans and Democrats look like besties!) Curtis explained a four-quadrant model that categorized Christians in politics as Combatants, Exhausted, Cynics, or Disciples. The goal of the program they created, The After Party, he said, is to move people towards the Disciple quadrant where both hope and humility are high. Corey also opens up about some personal experiences with harsh political divides and recounted how meaningful face-to-face reconciliations had been. Curtis encouraged listeners to take The After Party course and put humane relationship and engagement back into the church’s approach to politics.
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Wednesday Feb 07, 2024
Wednesday Feb 07, 2024
In this conversation, we engage in a detailed discussion with writer, podcast host, and political analyst, Matt Robison. We delve into the intricacies of the political landscape, the role of media narratives, and the psychology and economics driving American politics. Highlighting the disconnect between what the public perceives and what the hard political and economic data shows, we conclude that voters often rely on subtle signals and cues to form their political opinions. We also discuss Biden's approval numbers and their impact on his presidency.
06:04 The Importance of Civil Conversations in Politics
06:17 The Current State of the Republican Party
08:44 The Influence of Newt Gingrich on American Politics
17:57 Matt's Journey into Politics
21:59 Collaboration on a Sitcom Idea
22:13 Discussion on a Newsweek Piece
24:40 Critical Thinking in News Consumption
25:44 Election Analysis and Voter Behavior
29:01 The Impact of Media on Public Opinion
37:00 The Complexity of Voter Sentiment
43:01 Wrapping Up and Planning for Part Two
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Sunday Feb 04, 2024
Sunday Feb 04, 2024
What's the defining principle of (what passes for) conservatives today? Hating the Left. In this edition, we talk about the fact that hating the left is
- NOT a governing philosophy;
- NOR is it a winning strategy;
- and it's NOT even conservative.
First, we get into how this all came about going back to the emergence of Rush Limbaugh as an early pioneer of the anger-tainment, conflict entrepreneur business model, followed in the early 90s by Fox News and now by an entire industry of television, online, podcasts and other media.
We then look at how "the Left" is being defined. Spoiler alert: It's not very precise or particularly accurate; but the broad pejorative label allows for the generalization, mischaracterization and vilification that's become the basic currency of the anger-tainment media complex.
So how can one say that hating the Left is not a governing philosophy? More specifically, it's not an effective governing philosophy. We assess how the Republican caucus in the House has responded to the opportunity to get everything they supposedly wanted to address what's happening on the Southern border. We also critique Florida governor Ron DeSantis's actual record and whether his "where woke goes to die" agenda is actually conservative. Another spoiler alert: It's not.
And of course, hating the Left has proven to be a losing strategy. We look at how the Republican Party has fared over the last several cycles with this raison d'etre of hating the left. Last spoiler alert (if you haven't been paying attention): So much winning? Uh, not so much.
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Republican Senators Reach Deal on Border - https://to.pbs.org/4825a4K
time.com/6266618/ron-desantis-florida-governance-essay/
www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/05/18/donald-trump-paradox-gop-00097458
Wednesday Jan 31, 2024
Wednesday Jan 31, 2024
Are science and belief in God incompatible? Dr. Francis S. Collins, renowned for having led the Human Genome Project and the former Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), says science and faith are two different ways of understanding God's creation.
We dove right in and had so much to explore!
- His father's folk music collection that is a true national treasure;
- Connecting music with the mysteries of the universe both as a scientist and a person of faith;
- An encounter with a heart patient that led Dr. Collins to his faith in Christ;
- How he got the job to lead the Human Genome Project (no, it wasn't an answer to an ad on Craigslist);
- Leading the NIH during a worldwide pandemic;
- The ongoing harrassment and even death threats he and his colleagues at NIH have had to endure;
- Struggling to understand the emergence of the anti-vax movement;
- Nurturing relationships with folks who hold very different views such as the late Christopher Hitchens;
- The BioLogos Foundation;
- And the most interesting book club in the world!
Dr. Francis Collins is the former director of the National Institutes of Health. And was the longest serving director of NIH — spanning 12 years and three (very different) presidencies. Dr. Collins is a physician-geneticist noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the international Human Genome Project, which culminated in April 2003 with the completion of a finished sequence of the human DNA instruction book. Dr. Collins' research laboratory has discovered a number of important genes, including those responsible for cystic fibrosis, Huntington's disease, a familial endocrine cancer syndrome and, most recently, genes for type 2 diabetes among others. Dr. Collins was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in November 2007 and the National Medal of Science in 2009.
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Sunday Jan 28, 2024
Sunday Jan 28, 2024
Tackling the hard truth that so many of our votes are actually empty calorie votes. "Empty calorie votes!?!? What in the world is that?" you might ask.
It's important to state at the top that it's still important to vote. So, go out and VOTE! But there are several factors that render a vast majority of votes as electoral stuffing for all intents and purposes. It could be due to some voters always going for the Rs or always going for the Ds right down the line and would never even consider the possibility of checking a box for the "other team." There are also districts and states that are so heavily favored for one party or another, that the results are essentially predetermined.
But there are some districts and some states and, most importantly, some people that really can swing from one side to another. And that’s what decides our elections! So that's what we dive into on this edition of the program. Plus, we address what we can do about it, i.e. How do you persuade the persuadables?
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Wednesday Jan 24, 2024
Wednesday Jan 24, 2024
On this episode, Corey was part of a roundtable conversation over at Freedom Road with Lisa Sharon Harper. We were also joined by Rev. Dr. Waltrina Middleton and Dr. Claudia Owens Shields. This circle of friends came together to reflect on 2023 and consider what's ahead for us in 2024. It was originally recorded for the Freedom Road Podcast which you can find on all the major podcast apps.
Waltrina is the executive director of Community Renewal Society and a senior consultant with Freedom Road, specializing in Spiritual Formation. Claudia is a licensed clinical psychologist specializing in multi-ethnic psychology, formerly tenured professor at the Chicago School of Psychology. Claudia also serves as a senior consultant with Freedom Road. Lisa Sharon Harper is the founder of Freedom Road, a consulting group dedicated to shrinking the narrative gap, and the author of several books including FORTUNE: How Race Broke My Family and the World and How to Repair It All and THE VERY GOOD GOSPEL: How Everything Wrong Can Be Made Right.
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